dyokomizo comments on The Irrationality Game - Less Wrong

38 Post author: Will_Newsome 03 October 2010 02:43AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 03 October 2010 07:34:17PM 5 points [-]

How detailed of a model are you thinking of? It seems like there are at least easy and somewhat trivial predictions we could make e.g. that a human will eat chocolate instead of motor oil.

Comment author: dyokomizo 03 October 2010 07:47:20PM 3 points [-]

I would classify such kinds of predictions as vague, after all they match equally well for every human being in almost any condition.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 03 October 2010 10:53:50PM 5 points [-]

How about a prediction that a particular human will eat bacon instead of jalapeno peppers? (I'm particularly thinking of myself, for whom that's true, and a vegetarian friend, for whom the opposite is true.)

Comment author: dyokomizo 04 October 2010 12:46:01AM -2 points [-]

This model seems to be reducible to "people will eat what they prefer".

A good model would be able to reduce the number of bits to describe a behavior, if the model requires to keep a log (e.g. what particular humans prefer to eat) to predict something, it's not much less complex (i.e. bit encoding) than the behavior.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 04 October 2010 01:12:00AM 4 points [-]

Maybe I've misunderstood.

It seems to me that your original prediction has to refer either to humans as a group, in which case Luke's counterexample is a good one, or humans as individuals, in which case my counterexample is a good one.

It also seems to me that either counterexample can be refined into a useful prediction: Humans in general don't eat petroleum products. I don't eat spicy food. Corvi doesn't eat meat. All of those classes of things can be described more efficiently than making lists of the members of the sets.

Comment author: newerspeak 05 October 2010 06:38:17PM *  -1 points [-]

"people eat what they prefer".

No, because preferences are revealed by behavior. Using revealed preferences is a good heuristic generally, but it's required if you're right that explanations for behavior are mostly post-hoc rationalizations.

So:

People eat what they prefer. What they prefer is what they wind up having eaten. Ergo, people eat what they eat.

Comment author: Strange7 22 January 2011 04:14:08AM 1 point [-]

Consistency of preferences is at least some kind of a prediction.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 04 October 2010 12:37:16AM *  3 points [-]

I think "vague" is a poor word choice for that concept. "(not) informative" is a technical term with this meaning. There are probably words which are clearer to the layman.

Comment author: dyokomizo 04 October 2010 12:41:50AM 1 point [-]

I agree vague is not a good word choice. Irrelevant (using relevancy as it's used to describe search results) is a better word.