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Comment author: komponisto 03 October 2010 04:17:04AM *  2 points [-]

A great point, which I myself alluded to here.

I have at times felt a desire -- perhaps even "need" is not too strong a word -- to compose a Mass setting. No secular text that I can think of seems to have quite the same level of solemnity (for lack of a better word) required to serve for a worthy successor to the Mass settings of the past. I'm not sure how much of this is due to a lack of imagination on my part, and how much is due to the fact that the perception of the Mass text is the result of cultural factors beyond my individual control, and beyond the content of the text itself. But in any case I fear I may be stuck with "yes, I'm an atheist, but only this would do."

Of course, I'll gladly take suggestions, if anyone has any.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 October 2010 05:37:27AM 1 point [-]

I haven't actually had difficulty finding secular texts that inspire a sense of solemnity. If you want older language, which usually translates to a solemn tone, the St. Crispin's Day speech in Henry V is not religious in subject, but it is solemn. There is no lack of inspiring expressions whose subject is not religious.

Atheists don't often express themselves with the intent to inspire, but they do sometimes, and they can be fairly effective. I think Bertrand Russell did a good job, although he did write in prose. My point was that these expressions are either not absolute praise (i.e. science is a very good tool, but only a tool) or they're not really rational (i.e. "secular religion") or they're absolute praise of something almost too abstract to conceive (i.e. "Thank Goodness.")

Comment author: komponisto 03 October 2010 06:25:06AM 1 point [-]

I haven't actually had difficulty finding secular texts that inspire a sense of solemnity...There is no lack of inspiring expressions whose subject is not religious...My point was that these expressions are either not absolute praise...

This is why I expressed discomfort with the word "solemnity". I'm really after something more like "extreme emotions expressed with extreme dignity, in a way everyone recognizes."

In any case I did not mean to imply that there are no secular texts of depth or inspirational power. I just haven't yet succeeded in coming up with the appropriate successor to the musical tradition of religious settings. It feels like too specific of a genre.

Comment author: soreff 03 October 2010 09:54:26PM 1 point [-]

just haven't yet succeeded in coming up with the appropriate successor to the musical tradition of religious settings.

There is a portion of the Jurassic Park theme which certainly sounds liturgical...