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Comment author: Craig_Heldreth 03 October 2010 02:36:10PM 16 points [-]

I think the praise appetite in western civilization is now filled by people like Tom Brady and Lebron James and Lady Gaga. When you go to a National Football League stadium on a fall Sunday afternoon, you see a communal ritual of adoration and submerging of self into group. It is fundamentally not rational.

I do not think rationalists have anything in this dimension. The closest that comes to mind is from Cosmos and Carl Sagan is standing on his star-trek-style set gazing at images of galaxies and whatnot and he has this look on his face of sex- or drug- or rock-and-roll- induced glow. Carl Sagan was a great rationalist and that television series was one of the greatest, but I found and continue to find that image disgusting.

Kind of how I imagine a Philadelphia Eagles fan and dog lover feels about rooting for Michael Vick today.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 October 2010 06:01:06PM 9 points [-]

Voted up, because I'm not sure I indicated well enough that praise has a dark side (and that some people might not find it appealing at all.) You defined it better than I did: "A communal ritual of adoration and submerging of self into group."

This is both compelling to many and repugnant to many. There are whole identities constructed around avoiding rituals of adoration, and instead valuing level-headedness and critical thinking. When democracies were founded, they deliberately avoided these kinds of monarchical displays of praise. I have seen fantasy novels, religion, celebrity culture, and contemporary politics criticized precisely because of the element of praise: some find that kind of worship "disgusting" and slavish.

Personally, I find praise intellectually troubling but emotionally compelling.