Konkvistador comments on Slava! - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 04 October 2010 06:57:52AM *  4 points [-]

Slava Bogu na višavah in na Zemlji mir ljudem!

I understand where you are coming from, these affects can be powerful, however singing rationalist hymns seems in a very basic way wrong to me. Whenever I get swept up by a hymn it is because I indulge (or so I believe) in accepting the values it really promotes.

A hymn feels to me like rejoicing the object you value of existing. It induces the belief that the very existence of God, the Revolution, the Tsar or some undefined X in itself hold value, and you then after excepting this premise rejoice and give up a part of yourself for the "common cause", melding with the others in intent. A intent to keep things as they are, or perhaps to aspire to make even more X-like or to make sure as much of existence is touched by X.

Rationalism dosen't really include ultimate values and this is why I feel uncomfortable risking making proxy values that help me achieve my primary values creep into the same emotional space.

What I just wrote is completely based on introspection, I can't really know if a hymn,anthem or whatever fits the OP, really can or does hijack my value system without (or perhaps with) my consent. But it sure feels like it.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 October 2010 12:17:31PM 1 point [-]

This isn't a post arguing for rationalist hymns. I'm skeptical that there can be rationalist hymns, for the reasons you mentioned. It's doubtful that there are any ultimate values -- it's even more doubtful that anything concrete and easy to visualize, like a single person, is an ultimate value. In a sense, what I'm talking about here is worship. Is there anything that it's all right for rationalists to worship?

I think the answer's probably "no," and I'm trying to find out if there's any way that can be made less disappointing.