even when I try the acceptance trick for the pain, which normally works really well, there's a purely instinctual desire to change positions. I think I'll try it for 10 minutes while not meditating after writing this comment, to test how well I can deal with pain and discomfort.
It seems to me that the pain associated with certain physical positions exists to warn us of potential harm. Circulatory trouble is the obvious one; I don't know if stressing muscles which aren't strong yet is actually harmful, but I'd be surprised if it isn't. Setting aside helpful mental discipline of accepting pain, are you concerned at all about actual damage being done to your body?
I also appreciate that you posted this; it's a subject I'm curious about (as demonstrated by how much I've been interrogating Luke_Grecki). I will try to find the time to read the guide you linked and, if I follow along, try practicing it.
Setting aside helpful mental discipline of accepting pain, are you concerned at all about actual damage being done to your body?
Yes indeed, but I think that I'm going to really need to stretch to improve my flexibility. I'll try not to go overboard with it though.
I will try to find the time to read the guide you linked and, if I follow along, try practicing it.
I was thinking about scheduling a Less Wrong Meditation Day, in a week or two after people get a chance to read up, where we choose a Saturday and everyone meditates for 6 hours, all starting ...
This is an introduction and description of vipassana meditation [edit: actually, anapanasati, not vipassana as such] more than Buddhism. Nonetheless I hope it serves as some testament to the value of Buddhist thought outside of meditation.
One day I hope more people take up the mantle of the Buddhist Conspiracy, the Bayesanga, and preach the good word of Bayesian Buddhism for all to hear. Until then, though, I'd like to follow in the spirit of fellow Bayesian Buddhist Luke Grecki, and describe some of my personal experiences with anapanasati meditation in the hopes that they'll convince you to check it out.
Nearly everything I've learned about anapanasati/vipassana comes from this excellent guide. It's easy to read and it actually explains the reasoning behind all of the things you're asked to do in vipassana. I heavily encourage you to give it a look. Meditation without instruction didn't lead me anywhere: I spent hours letting my mind get tossed about while I tried in vain to think of nothing. Trying to think of nothing is not a good idea. Vipassana is the practice of mindfulness, and it is recommended that you focus on your breath (focusing on breath is sort of a form of vipassana, and sort of its own thing; I haven't quite figured it out yet). I chose that as my anchor for meditation as recommended. Since reading the above linked guide on meditation, I've meditated a mere 4 times, for a total of 100 minutes. I'm a total novice! So don't confuse my experiences for the wisdom of a venerable teacher. But I think that maybe since you, too, will be a novice, hearing a novice's experiences might be useful. A mere 100 minutes of practice, and I've had many insights that have helped me think more clearly about mindfulness, compassion, self-improvement, the nature of feedback cycles and cascades, relationships between the body and cognition, and other diverse subjects.
The first meditation session was for 10 minutes, the second for 40 minutes, the third for 10 minutes, and the fourth for 40 minutes again. Below are descriptions of the two 40 minutes sessions. In the first, I experienced a state of jhana (the second jhana, to be precise; I'm about 70% confident), which was profoundly moving and awe-inspiring. In the the second, my mind was a little too chatty to reach a jhana, but I did accidentally have a few insights that I think are important for me to have realized.
The below are very personal experiences, and I don't suspect that they're typical. But I hope that describing my experiences will inspire you to consider mindfulness meditation, or to continue with mindfulness meditation, even if your experiences end up being very different from mine. You might find that some of the 'physiological effects' I list are egregious, but I decided to leave them in, 'cuz they just might be relevant. For instance, I find that, quite surprisingly, my level of mindfulness seems to directly correlate with how numb various parts of my body are! Also, listing what parts of me were in pain at various points might alert future practitioners to what sorts of pain might be expected from sitting still for longer than thirty minutes. The most interesting observations will probably be in the 'insights' sections.
40 minutes, Evening/night, September 17, 2010.
Setting: First laying down on a bed with a pillow over my eyes, then sitting up on the bed on a pillow.
Physiological effects:
Insights on breath:
General insights:
40 minutes, Midnight, October 4, 2010.
Setting: Seated on a pillow on blanket on roof of my house in Tucson.
Physiological effects:
Insights on breath:
General insights: