One of the claims made by some religious believers is that logic depends on God — that God sustains all the order in the universe; to the extent that without belief in God there is no basis for the belief that logical conclusions follow from their premises. Thus, God could do logically contradictory things if he wants to, because the notion of logical consistency only holds insofar as God wants it to.
In this view, if God wants to make 1 = 3, God can do that; who do you think set the world up such that 1 = 1 in the first place? Mathematics, science, etc. only work in an orderly universe; who do you think made the order? If God wants to make round squares, why not? God wrote geometry, like a programmer writes code; God can write exceptions into the rules if he wants to — just as a programmer of a cellular automata system could write exceptions into its rules: say, whenever the Life cells spell out "CONWAY", a random cell is turned on. The programmer is not bound by the Life rules; the programmer exists in a space exterior to the Life universe.
These folks will cheerfully agree that they are talking about things beyond the limit of logic, or indeed of human language; that no description of God can possibly be even remotely adequate. So saying that they are contradicting themselves will largely elicit a smile and a nod.
These folks will cheerfully agree that they are talking about things beyond the limit of logic, or indeed of human language; that no description of God can possibly be even remotely adequate. So saying that they are contradicting themselves will largely elicit a smile and a nod.
This is because there is for some reason the idea that God is incomprehensible and/or not able to be talked about and/or not able to be talked about rationally within a large portion of religions in the world. So when someone that disagrees with them says their ideas don't make s...
[This is a draft intended to be developed into a top-level post - it wouldn't feel wrong to make it such right now, but it wouldn't quite feel right. I am not entirely sure how to end it or if I could generalize better at the end. I kind of like the ending I have, but I'm not sure if the point overall is coherent enough. Thoughts/suggestions/criticism would all be appreciated. ETA: The problem here may be that this is actually a follow up (or a footnote) to another article I've been thinking of about Weasel Words and the art of misleading through langauge; related to my earlier post on Not Technically Lying]
When I was a teenager, I remember hearing a couple of riddles that I thought were neat:
"Could God draw a square circle?"
"Could God create a stone so large that even He could not lift it?"
Let me just disclaim that this post has pretty nothing to do with religion. I just think that these are great examples that many people may be familiar with. That said, consider: do either of these problems pose a threat to the existence of an omnipotent God?
The answer, as will be clear on a full exposition, is a resounding "No." These are terrible, awful, misleading arguments, and the second one illustrates a relatively common trick used to sneak past an audience's intellectual defenses.
These riddles both fail to provide relevant counterexamples for the exact same reason, even though the second may seem to make more sense. The first is simpler: a square circle is not a thing. In a practical sense, we can put the words next to each other, but there is simply no way to translate the sound "square circle" into some kind of expectation or thing in the real world, in the same way one could translate, "red barn" or "white unicorn" into an expected observation. It is impossible for anything to be both square and circular, so the fact that God cannot do something that cannot be done does not limit His omnipotence. By the same token, God could not create a married bachelor (using the strict definitions of the terms), as a bachelor is an unmarried man. The inability to violate the law of non-contradiction does not appear to be a legitimate refutation of omnipotence. If we taboo, "square circle," there isn't really a meaningful way of describing the thing you are insisting God be able to draw.
"A stone so large that God cannot lift it," is exactly the same thing as a square circle. It sounds like a problem, since it's showing that God can't create a big enough stone. But an omnipotent being could presumably lift an object of any arbitrary size. Therefore, no stone could ever meet these criteria. If we taboo "so large that God cannot lift it," there is no actual weight you could describe such a stone as having. Presumably, God could lift a stone that weighted 3^^^3 tons, or even 3^^^^^^3 tons. You've created a hollow adjective: a descriptor whose actual meaning makes an argument self-evidently bad, but which is appealing if you don't actually think about it. It's not Not Technically Lying, because it isn't untrue, it's meaningless, which makes it harder to detect (though less common).
This is an extreme example. Usually, hollowness allows a speaker to be vague enough that they sound like they have a point when a clear definition of their terms would disprove this. Offenses in common language are usually a bit less egregious. "The president hasn't done enough to fix the economy," comes to mind as an example. What exactly, should he have done? There has probably never been a president in history whom people would generally agree has done "enough to fix the economy;" indeed, most economists would question the power of the president to seriously influence such things. "Hasn't the president failed to end the recession?" may be technically true, but it isn't really useful to call someone a failure for not doing something they lack the power to do. This example is merely illustrative; it is often easy to create descriptors that make your conclusion apparently foregone, despite their actual lack of substance.
Using such slanted terms is among the darker of the Dark Arts. It plays on its audience not by appealing to the irrational vagaries of the human mind; such efforts are, at least, often transparent. Rather, it masquerades as a rational argument, requiring complex nuance to refute. For those who are not disposed to disagree, it can escape the defense mechanisms of even a cautious mind. Understanding this concept can make it far easier to pinpoint the error in some beguiling arguments.