RichardKennaway comments on There is no such thing as pleasure - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 07 October 2010 08:46:33PM 0 points [-]

Yes, there's no commonality to unpleasant experiences in general. Physical pain was just an example where there is (for me) a real thing common to them that I can give a name to, in contrast to "pleasure", for which there is not.

Comment author: Relsqui 07 October 2010 09:33:06PM 4 points [-]

I think the point is that you're comparing Granny Smiths to oranges. If you want to argue that pleasure is less specific than its opposite, to talk about "pleasure" and "displeasure" makes more sense than to talk about "pleasure" and "pain."

Comment author: RichardKennaway 07 October 2010 09:44:59PM *  0 points [-]

My purpose was to talk about pleasure, not about pleasure and its opposite. Displeasure is also a non-thing.

Comment author: NateSkiba 07 October 2010 11:05:03PM 3 points [-]

Just to clarify: are you categorically denying the reality of broad categories? Or is there a more subtle point here that deals more with positive feelings?

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 07 October 2010 11:02:35PM 3 points [-]

The fact that we can divide these varying experiences into "pleasant" and "unpleasant" ones does suggest that they have something in common at some level in the brain, though. Then perhaps utilitarianism can be about maximizing expected pleasantness instead of expected pleasure.