wedrifid comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 4 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 16 October 2010 11:20:50PM 0 points [-]

If by "assert political influence," you mean not accept garbage like the Pirate Game, and by "tribe" you mean any group of mammals.

No, I don't mean that and it isn't exactly the kind of game morality is set up to handle.

But it is an interesting link and the progression is far from intuitive.

Comment author: hairyfigment 19 October 2010 07:17:45PM *  3 points [-]

...OK, I have little experience with the game Taboo, but people claim to have found 5 major instincts that together provide "mechanisms" for nearly all societal codes. I care more about the first two then the others.

Before, I linked to evidence that dogs care about Fairness in a way that seems to clearly increase their chance of surviving to reproduce in the wild. (Though I admit they'd likely never have to face the Pirate Game as such.) This study purports to show Empathy and its backward cousin Group Loyalty in mice.

Your examples seem to work by Authority, which I feel pretty confident exists in other animals (especially for children). It makes a certain amount of sense to describe rules of this nature as ways to assert political influence, provided we include unconscious political behavior and allow a wide range of motives for wanting to influence others.

"Purity" seems like a mindless animal's version of germ theory.

(Edited once for clarity in the first paragraph.)