AdShea comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 4 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 18 October 2010 09:18:13PM *  7 points [-]

Re. the "sentient snakes": I had a similar reaction, "What, snakes in this world are intelligent, and that has no consequences?" But centering the reaction on moral issues... well, this is a gripe/rant/sore spot with me. Particularly when the word "sentient" is involved.

"Sentient" means the ability to feel. I don't know if snakes are sentient. But I absolutely guarantee you that cows and pigs are sentient.

In moral debates, the word "sentient" is one of a class of words I call "words that don't mean what they mean": words that we systematically abuse, by having 2 definitions; and we use the word in practice with definition 1, and pretend it has definition 2 when we want to justify our actions.

It is so very very common for people to talk about "sentient life", and use it to mean "life forms with a grammatical language". If you just came out and said, "I think that the feelings of beings that can't express themselves with a recursive grammatic structure need never be considered", people would realize how unjustified and self-serving this view is. So people use the word "sentient", yet in a way implying it applies only to beings with grammar, so they can say what they want to say, but in a way that sounds like they are saying something less self-serving.

Comment author: AdShea 19 October 2010 02:04:16AM 2 points [-]

I think you're looking for the difference between Sentient and Sapient. The problem is that they are often conflated to make an awful mess of things.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 19 October 2010 04:43:22PM *  -2 points [-]

Sapient means "wise". Most people are not sapient.

Curious why people voted this down. It is correct. Please comment. Note that people don't have a good feeling for what "sapient" means; it is preferred over "wise" only when people wish to be obscure. And using your species name as your criterion for having moral standing is rigging the game.

In any case, I am not looking for the difference between sentient and sapient. The Harry Potter chapter I'm responding to said -

"SNAKES ARE SENTIENT?"