PhilGoetz comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 4 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 03 November 2010 05:14:08PM *  1 point [-]

(Harry having to learn how to lose was great.)

Remember "The Cold Equations"? I wouldn't be shocked if Eliezer wound the entire fanfic up with some similar message.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 November 2010 06:54:10PM 4 points [-]

I remember the extensive discussion about "The Cold Equations", in which it was concluded that the only way that sort of tragedy could be generated would be if there was massive organizational incompetence.

Stowaways were a known problem. Why wasn't the spaceship locked? Why was there a door on the closet?

I think a reasonably happy ending is forced for MOR. Harry survives. So do other major good characters. However, perhaps a MFAI (Magical FAI) is created, and power and responsibility are handed off to it. What would Harry do with the rest of eternity then?

Comment author: Alicorn 03 November 2010 07:26:10PM 5 points [-]

What would Harry do with the rest of eternity then?

I think there's textual evidence suggesting that he would have descendants and then attend a lot of birthday parties on celestial objects.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 04 November 2010 12:32:31AM 3 points [-]

He might still enjoy exploring how magic works-- I expect it's as rich a field as physics. (Last I heard, the idea that physics may offer unlimited depths is still respectable.)

Ending for a rationalist fairy tale: And then they learned how to live happily ever after.

Comment author: MartinB 04 November 2010 12:51:31AM 0 points [-]

But he gets the 'ever after' before he learns how to make 'happiness'

Comment author: PeerInfinity 05 November 2010 04:47:45AM 1 point [-]

What would Harry do with the rest of eternity then?

Harry will invent Fun Theory, of course. And then he'll spend the rest of eternity testing and improving this Fun Theory.

Comment author: shokwave 05 November 2010 05:04:33AM 0 points [-]

massive organizational incompetence.

I would think Rowling's creation and management of the Harry Potter universe is quite clearly an example of massive organizational incompetence. Eliezer's characters might try their very hardest to save themselves, but like the stowaway they were dead the moment they were born into Rowling's universe.

Comment author: MartinB 03 November 2010 07:22:40PM 1 point [-]

No no no no no. Not a stupid space Aesop as in the cold equation. No!

Comment author: komponisto 03 November 2010 08:06:39PM *  0 points [-]

Remember "The Cold Equations"?

What an awful story. I just read it, and am now in a state of outrage.

The message is ostensibly that the laws of nature don't care about human welfare, which, as we all know, is true enough. But the problem described in the story is entirely human-caused: a straightforward engineering failure. It's the result of stupidity, poor planning, and failing to learn from past mistakes.

And the sexism ("OMG It's a girl!") makes it all the more distasteful, although that's probably unfair of me, since it was after all written in the 1950s.

I can't see Eliezer writing a story like this. Ever.