Luke_Grecki comments on The Dark Arts - Preamble - Less Wrong

44 Post author: Aurini 11 October 2010 02:01PM

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Comment author: Aurini 12 October 2010 01:51:54AM 8 points [-]

Clarification: if you walk into the leather shop, with $300 burning a hole in your pocket, and see a nice jacket - and the guy behind the counter knows what he's doing (and gives enough of a shit) you will walk out of their, happy with your new jacket.

Saying there's no defense whatsoever was a bit of an exagerration; it's true that some people are more resistant than others (though not infinitely resistant), but even if you're weak you can always avoid the situations in the first place.

Having a blanket policy of "I don't do anything at the door" is highly effective.

It's sort of like a bullet; you can't resist it, but you can avoid it [assuming for the sake of analogy you ignore kevlar].

You know what? I will write a piece on defence, once I'm done with the other pieces in the series. Hopefully what I was trying to convey will be clearer at that point.

As for my purpose - 1) it's fun; this is stuff I've thought a lot about, and the community here is smart enough to understand it, 2) I get LW points and ego validation for writing it, and 3) the information's already out there, I figure it might as well be in the hands of the Good Guys.

Comment author: [deleted] 12 October 2010 02:37:59AM 2 points [-]

Saying there's no defense whatsoever was a bit of an exagerration; it's true that some people are more resistant than others (though not infinitely resistant), but even if you're weak you can always avoid the situations in the first place.

It seems like there might be some kind of strategic direct defense. The possible victim could identify remembered triggers in (for example) a compliance situation, and then have a policy about how to act after such observations. You don't have to disengage; you could decide that you want to continue with the process. The extra level of reflection simply gives you more control.

Cialdini advocates this kind of meta-strategy in Influence.