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Are there any non-obvious pre-requisites one must meet before being able to use this technique successfully? "Demons" one ought to "vanquish" before this can be helpful?
Be prepared to experience small attacks of guilt during the meditation for taking time away from your paper clips. It should help to be decisive before you begin, as Luke recommends, on a minimal amount of time that is worth the expected information gain and performance enhancing effects. Tell the paper clips --- out loud, or at least in a clear voice in your head --- that it's in their interest to wait 15 minutes a day until you're better at making them ;)
I meant seriously.
Secretly, my response was written to be genuine if you replace "paper clips" with whatever your real ambitions are ;)
This is interesting. I don't feel guilty for taking the time, but I'm also not very busy. If meditation would take a noticeable chunk out of my productive time, I probably wouldn't do it. I'll try to keep this in mind if that situation occurs--to at least consider taking the chunk of time anyway.
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That's great, thank you. It's also a handy segue; I was going to ask why meditation, particularly among practiced tasks, allegedly must be practiced daily.
If you don't breathe, you need a different anchor. Do you have any actions you can perform where the conscious intersects the subconscious?
dhamma.org, one provider of 10-day vipassana courses, notes that "someone suffering from psychiatric problems, or someone undergoing emotional upheaval" should not participate in one. I'm not sure whether that extends to meditation in general, but I imagine that if being alone in your own head for a while would be scary, distressing, or dangerous, it would probably be healthier to work on that by other means before trying meditation.
Other than that, I don't know; I'd also be interested in answers to this.
Tthere is also evidence that meditation can help people with schizophrenia. I think they say that for liability reasons, as I don't doubt meditation can make someone spontaneously go even more crazy.
Got a reference for that? My flatmate used to enjoy meditation a lot prior to his psychotic break, and is now explicitly not allowed to meditate.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19267396
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18041355
http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/mh_bcmh/docs/confandtraining/2007/MindfulMedPtSchizDaubertDec07.pdf
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00936351
Thanks!
There are a lot of different kinds of meditation. Lumping them together might like assuming that all exercise can be expected to have the same effect.
yeh, I'm not sure which type he used to do, although I suspect it was Vipassanna or closely related.
Doesn't all exercise have largely the same effect in terms of peripheral benefits? Release of endorphins, better sleep, and so forth.
Not all exercise (especially if you include amount as well as type) is good for all people.
Good point, I was naively assuming reasonable types and limits.