RichardKennaway comments on Vipassana Meditation: Developing Meta-Feeling Skills - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 19 October 2010 08:24:02AM *  0 points [-]

It isn't, but 4 is.

ETA: I have a string of meditation beads, 108 beads long. If I use it to count breaths, it takes more than half an hour.

Comment author: Relsqui 19 October 2010 07:04:01PM 0 points [-]

I have a string of meditation beads, 108 beads long.

Oh, that's a good idea. I've been wanting an excuse to make something like that for a while. But it does seem to contradict the keeping-still-ness.

Comment author: gwern 19 October 2010 08:31:03PM 0 points [-]

What I do is curl fingers.

Count to 10 and back, curl 1 finger. When all 10 are curled, I begin uncurling. A full curl-uncurl cycle takes about 25 minutes for me, and is a good substitute for an alarm, I think. Little less stressful & abrupt at the end.

Comment author: Relsqui 20 October 2010 07:22:42AM 0 points [-]

I guess I have the same question--how does this interact with the priority of keeping still?

Comment author: gwern 23 October 2010 08:41:11PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure. I'm very much new to it. I don't seem to notice any major difference between when I use an alarm and the finger curling.

Comment author: wedrifid 19 October 2010 10:30:28AM *  0 points [-]

It isn't, but 4 is.

2 actually is possible. I have even achieved it and that was without excessive training. At least, as I discovered later, without excessive training while I was awake. On a related note it is also possible to sustain 1 breath per 50 meters while running.

With both of the above it isn't a matter of mere psychology. The changes may have to occur down to the physiological level, along similar lines to altitude training. The oxygen absorption of the blood itself is altered.