Vladimir_Nesov comments on Vipassana Meditation: Developing Meta-Feeling Skills - Less Wrong

23 [deleted] 18 October 2010 04:55PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (106)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 21 October 2010 11:26:39PM *  1 point [-]

I didn't clarify the goal I had in mind and what it would mean to achieve it (and then re-evaluate if it was still desirable, etc.).

And what was that (even in a few words)?

I meant to imply that the meditation might help with rationality problems that rationalists are concerned with, but which are not a common concern for non-rationalists.

Given that even at conscious level, it's not usually clear which way rationality, trying to modify your subconscious in an unclear fashion doesn't seem to be a plausible way of obtaining an expected improvement, unless one produces a surprising empirical study.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 October 2010 02:14:12AM *  1 point [-]

And what was that (even in a few words)?

The goal was simply sharing my knowledge and experience of meditation with a community that might benefit from it, and was interested in hearing about it. It seems like I've actually done this by writing these two posts and a bunch of comments. But if I'm now going to aim at actually realizing these possible benefits (and I don't know if I should), I'll have to think more clearly about what this would mean and how it would be done (as you've pointed out above).

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 22 October 2010 02:25:00AM *  4 points [-]

(I think we agree, but it's not absolutely clear from your comment.)

When you ask, "What am I doing X for?", and get back "I want to achieve Y", it often happens that X is far from being an adequate answer to "How can I best achieve Y?", and so must be abandoned. Thus, even after figuring out Y, pursuing the question of "How to best use X for achieving Y?" is a strictly worse option than just "How can I best achieve Y?"

Comment author: [deleted] 22 October 2010 03:05:14AM 0 points [-]

I completely agree.