Perplexed comments on Optimism versus cryonics - Less Wrong

34 Post author: lsparrish 25 October 2010 02:13AM

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Comment author: David_Gerard 25 October 2010 07:03:23PM *  1 point [-]

Although it's not marked as the inspiration, this post comes straight after an article by many-decades cryonicist Charles Platt, which he wrote for Cryonics magazine but which was rejected by the Alcor board:

Cryoptimism Part 1 Part 2

Platt discusses what he sees as the dangerously excessive optimism of cryonics, particularly with regard to financial arrangements: that because money shouldn't be a problem, people behave as though it therefore isn't a problem. When it appears clear that it is. To quote:

In fact their determination to achieve and defend their goal results in optimism that I think is so intense, I'm going to call it cryoptimism, which I might define as rampant optimism flavored with a dose of hubris and a dash of megalomania, sustained by fear of oblivion.

The above post may make more sense considered as a response to Platt's article.

Comment author: Perplexed 25 October 2010 07:30:53PM *  0 points [-]

The above post may make more sense considered as a response to Platt's article.

If interpreted in that way, it fails completely. It doesn't respond in any way to Pratt's argument that the cryonics industry does not have the financial resources to deliver on its promises, and that the shortfall gets larger as more people sign up.

Isparrish simply advises people to ignore this and to optimistically sign up anyways. Since Isparrish does not seem to be irrational, I have to assume he is not attempting to respond to Platt.

Edit: Whoops. Bad assumption.

Comment author: lsparrish 25 October 2010 08:15:14PM *  1 point [-]

I should clarify that it was not his main point about shortfalls due to signups, but the peripheral point about cryonics being optimistic that I was replying to. I disagree with his main point to a limited degree, i.e. I consider it probable that Alcor is not going to go bankrupt, though I recognize the need to be alert to the possibility.

As he said, money has shown up in the past from wealthy donors who don't want it to fail. I'm not upset at the inequity there because the donors are purchasing social status, and I don't have a problem with paying slightly more (or, if I can afford it, a lot more) to help cover someone else's expenses. (I am more open to socialistic logic than most current cryonicists.)