TobyBartels comments on Willpower: not a limited resource? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Academian 26 October 2010 06:11:06AM *  6 points [-]

As a personal anecdote, I have never felt anything that I was inclined to call "willpower depletion". As a teenager, I decided that "willpower" was just a loaded term/metaphor for dynamic consistency, and that calling it "willpower" was harmful to the way people thought about themselves as agents. I decided that other people's feeling of "willpower depletion" was nothing more than sensing oneself in transition from one value system to another.

But claims that the theorized "executive system", a cognitive system whose function is almost by definition to maintain dynamic consistency, was seated in the prefrontal cortex and needed more glucose than other brain functions, made me consider that maybe "willpower" is in fact an appropriate term... but I still never actually felt anything like a "depleting resource", which I found confusing.

So I'll be less confused again if the belief dependency you mention is correct, and causal. In any case, I hope it is, so that people can achieve better dynamic consistency by not thinking of it as "expendable". I'm at least one example consistent with that theory.

Comment author: TobyBartels 26 October 2010 07:35:11AM 1 point [-]

I've never heard of willpower depletion. I've heard people say that they don't have enough willpower, but not that they're out of willpower. Surely willpower is a long-term stat like CON, not an diminishable resource like HP.

I've never thought that I've had much willpower (possibly a nocebo effect originally generalised from a few early cases?). But on those occasions where I have used my willpower, this has always made subsequent uses easier. I can't imagine using it up.

Comment author: lessdazed 16 March 2011 11:52:14PM *  2 points [-]

But on those occasions where I have used my willpower, this has always made subsequent uses easier. I can't imagine using it up.

Maybe you leveled up.

Comment author: Jess_Riedel 26 October 2010 02:11:00PM 2 points [-]

I've never heard of willpower depletion....Surely willpower is a long-term stat like CON, not an diminishable resource like HP.

In fact, previous research has shown that it is a lot like HP in many situations. See the citations near the beginning of the article.

Comment author: TobyBartels 28 October 2010 01:36:40AM 2 points [-]

Yeah, I see that now, but it's still very weird to me. And the new article seems to explain why: I think of willpower as like CON, so for me it's like CON. Others think of it as HP, so for them it's like HP. I just didn't realise that there was anybody like those others before!

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 16 October 2012 05:22:34PM *  0 points [-]

For me it's more like the limit break meter. When things get bad enough, it comes.

On the other hand, sometimes it's like a combo meter - the more I do, the more I keep doing.

Maybe it's more that I have a constant amount, and the challenge I'm facing varies in time.