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Wait, why should your values change just because you're suddenly immortal? Or is it because of the magical value of wolves in the luminosiverse? This doesn't make sense.
Although I don't, my best guess is that he puts a value on biodiversity.
You don't put any value on biodiversity? As in, if you had the choice of destroying all biodiversity in the world that isn't directly necessary to human survival for benefit to you of one cent you would take it? That is cold.
Immortality is not the only change.
That plays somewhat of a part.
Sense? What is this 'sense' and how does it relate to human values? :P
I didn't think any change would be enough. Isn't morality subjunctively objective? What doesn't make sense is that you look like you're saying wedrifid_vampire's values are good according to wedrifid_now's values. If I were expecting to be "turned" I would do everything I can to maintain my current values after the event, because to do otherwise would be against my current values.
And my current values say that if it's a human or an endangered wolf, I'd save the human.
That doesn't preclude self reference. (sp. subjectively)
Does this apply in the extreme case? That is, species vs individual?
If I had a single use switch that could be used to either save the wolf species or save an individual human I'd flick it to 'wolf species'. The only reason I would even consider the other option is because humans lose their grip on perspective when it comes to morality - it is sometimes necessary to signal to them.
Unless you can provide an objective reason why your values should prefer eating the wolf, I will assume it's because you have a rule saying that you should treat members of your own species specially.
Once you become a vampire, the extensional interpretation of this rule changes. It now says that you should treat vampires specially.
I place value on sapience/sentience/self-awareness whatever you want to call it.
I think his values change because he changed from being a human into being a vampire: by many measures of species, vampires are a separate species from humans.