wedrifid comments on Luminosity (Twilight fanfic) Part 2 Discussion Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 19 November 2010 12:10:57AM *  0 points [-]

Wait, why should your values change just because you're suddenly immortal?

Immortality is not the only change.

Or is it because of the magical value of wolves in the luminosiverse?

That plays somewhat of a part.

This doesn't make sense.

Sense? What is this 'sense' and how does it relate to human values? :P

Comment author: nshepperd 19 November 2010 12:41:21AM *  3 points [-]

I didn't think any change would be enough. Isn't morality subjunctively objective? What doesn't make sense is that you look like you're saying wedrifid_vampire's values are good according to wedrifid_now's values. If I were expecting to be "turned" I would do everything I can to maintain my current values after the event, because to do otherwise would be against my current values.

And my current values say that if it's a human or an endangered wolf, I'd save the human.

Comment author: wedrifid 19 November 2010 12:53:56AM 1 point [-]

I didn't think any change would be enough. Isn't morality subjunctively objective?

That doesn't preclude self reference. (sp. subjectively)

And my current values say that if it's a human or an endangered wolf, I'd save the human.

Does this apply in the extreme case? That is, species vs individual?

If I had a single use switch that could be used to either save the wolf species or save an individual human I'd flick it to 'wolf species'. The only reason I would even consider the other option is because humans lose their grip on perspective when it comes to morality - it is sometimes necessary to signal to them.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 19 November 2010 03:51:13AM 0 points [-]

Unless you can provide an objective reason why your values should prefer eating the wolf, I will assume it's because you have a rule saying that you should treat members of your own species specially.

Once you become a vampire, the extensional interpretation of this rule changes. It now says that you should treat vampires specially.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 19 November 2010 05:25:59AM 1 point [-]

I will assume it's because you have a rule saying that you should treat members of your own species specially.

I place value on sapience/sentience/self-awareness whatever you want to call it.