Alicorn comments on Luminosity (Twilight fanfic) Part 2 Discussion Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 24 November 2010 10:33:20PM *  2 points [-]

If things go pear-shaped, she just fades and tries something else.

That an error has relatively small cost (though don't forget opportunity cost), is no argument for making the error, when it could be just not made. It costs nothing to not make the error, so the costs of consequences of making the error are not relevant, as there is no tradeoff.

Edit: Also, the cost is not small for Elspeth, so this argument I disagree with doesn't even address one of the two idiot balls.

It doesn't, which Elspeth knows

It wasn't obvious that she can reliably feel the effect of lies on her power, and that there is a reliable dependence of efficiency of hiding-into-unimportance on Elspeth's perception of her power. The direct measurement is Allirea's sense of efficiency of hiding, and it's accessible to experiment, so it obviously should be tested (unless both of my questions in the first statement of this paragraph receive negative answers, which I can't see how can be done for the second one without testing).

Comment author: Alicorn 25 November 2010 12:34:19AM *  2 points [-]

The direct measurement is Allirea's sense of efficiency of hiding, and it's accessible to experiment

When Allirea fades someone else, Allirea herself is not affected by this. The test of how effectively Elspeth is hidden is how people other than Allirea react to her. Saeed lets her out of the cell, which constitutes excellent evidence that she can fade well enough to get the job done.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 25 November 2010 10:55:33AM *  2 points [-]

The test of how effectively Elspeth is hidden is how people other than Allirea react to her. Saeed lets her out of the cell, which constitutes excellent evidence that she can fade well enough to get the job done.

Yes, this tells that changing lies work. This doesn't address the question of efficacy of muttering the same lie.

Also, that "I'm 51, I'm 52, ..." works is indirect evidence that constant lies work as well, and proof-of-concept of how figuring out an efficient low-creativity algorithm can indeed bear fruit.

When Allirea fades someone else, Allirea herself is not affected by this.

She noticed that Elspeth "announces her presence" loudly, which is a perception on the same scale.

Comment author: Vaniver 27 November 2010 05:30:56AM 2 points [-]

She noticed that Elspeth "announces her presence" loudly, which is a perception on the same scale.

Yes, but Allirea seems to effect people other than herself. And so if she hides Elspeth to everyone but Allirea, her perception of how "loud" Elspeth is won't change.

Comment author: Lila 03 December 2010 09:53:44PM 1 point [-]

Allirea wouldn't be sensing how well her fading works on Elspeth. She would just be sensing how well Elspeth's "counter-fading" power is working. And it seems like she can sense that.