multifoliaterose comments on Making your explicit reasoning trustworthy - Less Wrong

82 Post author: AnnaSalamon 29 October 2010 12:00AM

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Comment author: cousin_it 29 October 2010 07:19:17PM *  16 points [-]

Reading your post felt very weird to me, as if you were deliberately avoiding the obvious conclusion from your own examples! Do you really believe that people follow kosher or die in religious wars due to using abnormally explicit reasoning? The common thing about your examples is putting ideals over personal gain, not reasoning over instinct. Too much acting on explicitly stated values, not explicitly stated beliefs. In truth, using rationality for personal gain isn't nearly as dangerous as idealism/altruism and doesn't seem to require the precautions you go on to describe. If any of the crazy things I do failed to help me, I'd just stop doing them.

Which prompts a question to everyone: what crazy things do you do that help you? (Rather than help save the light cone or something.)

Comment author: MichaelVassar 03 November 2010 10:42:02PM 11 points [-]

I strongly disagree. I specifically think people DO die in religious wars due to using abnormally explicit reasoning.

Comment author: multifoliaterose 03 November 2010 11:15:06PM 2 points [-]

In line with your comment:

Clarifying concepts is the most difficult to automate part of the rationalist's art.

(which I upvoted), I'm not really sure what you (or Anna, or cousin_it) mean by "abnormally explicit reasoning" and I can't tell whether the disagreement here is semantic or more substantive.