Vaniver comments on Making your explicit reasoning trustworthy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: komponisto 21 November 2010 08:29:15PM *  3 points [-]

The simpler way is just to recognize that, as a human in a western society, you won't lose much more or win much more than the other humans around you

Well, unless you actually take specific steps to win more....which is kind of what this is about.

which subgroup of humans do you join? How do you make the tradeoff between different subcultures etc. But still, you don't even need a general solution to that problem, you only need to decide which of the handful of specific subcultures available to you seems best for you.

Note that people probably tend to end up here by this very process. That is, of all the subcultures available to them, the subculture of people who are interested in

carefully building up [their] abstract-reasoning ability to the point where it produces usefully accurate, unbiased, well-calibrated probability distributions over relevant outcome spaces

is the most attractive.

Comment author: FormallyknownasRoko 21 November 2010 08:42:55PM 2 points [-]

What steps can a person actually take to really, genuinely win more, in the sense of "win" which most people take as their near-mode optimization target?

I suspect that happiness set-points mean that there isn't really much you can do.

In fact probably one of the few ways to genuinely affect the total of well-being over your lifetime is to take seriously the notion that you have so little control over it: you'll get depressed about it.

I recently read a book called 59 seconds which said that 50% of the variance in life satisfaction/happiness is directly genetically determined via your happiness set-point.

In fact the advice that the book gave was to just chill out about life, that by far the easiest way to improve your life is to frame it more positively.

Comment author: Vaniver 21 November 2010 08:46:22PM 1 point [-]

I suspect that happiness set-points mean that there isn't really much you can do.

Happiness is a sham; focus on satisfaction. There don't seem to be satisfaction set points.

That said, I agree with what you seem to be saying- that optimization is a procedure that is itself subject to optimization.