Annoyance comments on Taboo "rationality," please. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Annoyance 16 March 2009 06:49:49PM 5 points [-]

"Normally, people manage to communicate using our informal, muddly, complicated, natural language abilities."

I think that, in actuality, they don't. Or rather, they communicate very little: mostly by indicating positions that the listener is already familiar with.

Ever try explaining a truly new idea to someone? With most people, I find that if they don't already have a referent, they simply can't understand, because they're not used to extracting complex information from natural language.

Comment author: Johnicholas 16 March 2009 07:21:43PM 2 points [-]

We're in agreement. The position that I was arguing against is something like: "People can't communicate unless they first define their terms." That would be an infinite regress; the only possibility would be that people never manage to communicate.

Comment author: Annoyance 16 March 2009 07:36:38PM 2 points [-]

Okay, I'll accept that.

I offer a restatement: people can't communicate at a complex and abstract level unless their words are first defined in terms of words with already-accepted and -understood meanings.

If I begin to talk about gilxorfibbin without explaining what that is, it's unlikely the context will make it possible for you to know what I'm discussing.