wedrifid comments on Value Deathism - Less Wrong

26 Post author: Vladimir_Nesov 30 October 2010 06:20PM

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Comment author: wedrifid 31 October 2010 12:03:51AM 2 points [-]

Is it more important to you that people of the future share your values, or that your values are actually fulfilled?

latter >= former by logical deduction.

Comment author: Snowyowl 31 October 2010 10:40:26AM 1 point [-]

Yes. That was my intended point, sorry for being unclear.

Comment author: wedrifid 31 October 2010 02:38:30PM *  -1 points [-]

Are you sure your intended point wasn't "values - values about other's values > values about other's values"? That point is hard to express neatly but it is a more important intuitive point and one that seems to be well supported by your argument.

(By the way. I was the one who had downvoted your earlier comment, but that was actually in response to "I'm cowardly, irrational, and shallow, and I'm not afraid to admit it!" which doesn't fit well as a response to that particular exhortation. But I removed the downvote because I decided there was no point being grumpy if I wasn't going to be grumpy and specific. ;))

Comment author: Snowyowl 01 November 2010 02:08:53AM 3 points [-]

Effort required to achieve your goal directly < effort required to convince others to achieve your goal for you.

...and I've just spotted the glaring hole in my argument, so the reason that it was unclear is probably that it was wrong. I assume that people who share your values will act similarly to you. Before, I only considered the possibility that you would work alone (number of people contributing: 1), or that everyone you convinced would do as you did and convince more people (number of people doing work other than marketing: 0). I concluded incorrectly that the best strategy was to work alone; in fact the best strategy is probably a mixed strategy of some sort.

TLDR: I was wrong and you were right. Ignore my previous posts.

(And I'm fine with being downvoted as long I know why. I can make good use of constructive criticism.)