Vladimir_Nesov comments on Value Deathism - Less Wrong

26 Post author: Vladimir_Nesov 30 October 2010 06:20PM

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Comment author: Kutta 01 November 2010 01:22:40PM 1 point [-]

I agree, it seems a more general way of putting it.

Anyway, now that you mention it I'm intrigued and slightly freaked out by a scenario in which my frame of reference changes without my current values changing. First, is it even knowable when it happens? All our reasoning is based on current values. If an alien race comes and modifies us in a way that our future moral progress changes but not our current values, we could never know the change happened at all. It is a type of value loss that preserves reflective consistency. I mean, we wouldn't agree to be changed to paperclippers but on what basis could we refuse an unspecified change to our moral frame of reference (leaving current values intact)?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 01 November 2010 01:59:24PM *  1 point [-]

Moral frame of reference determines the direction in exploration of values, but you can't explicitly know this direction, even if you know its definition, because otherwise you'd already be there. It's like with definition of action in ambient control. When definition is changed, you have no reason to expect that the defined thing remains the same, even though at that very moment your state of knowledge about the previous definition might happen to coincide with your state of knowledge about the new definition. And then the states of knowledge go their different ways.