DanielLC comments on Group selection update - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanielLC 29 September 2011 06:51:10PM 4 points [-]

From what I understand, speciation takes much, much longer than normal mutation. Wouldn't that mean that species selection happens much slower, and by extension with much less effect. Do flowers speciate really fast? Does the more significant difference between the species allow it to evolve faster enough to make up for it?

Comment author: [deleted] 29 September 2011 08:35:18PM *  6 points [-]

Do flowers speciate really fast?

Interestingly, yes, they often do. It's a thing called polyploidy, which happens very frequently in plants.

Edit: I'm thinking this must be (a big part of) why self-compatible nightshades speciate faster-- very difficult to start a new tetraploid species if you can't self-pollinate.

I also upvoted you for making an accurate prediction:)

Comment author: Romashka 01 May 2015 01:11:53PM 0 points [-]

The rates of speciation are hardly stable - it's a reason why there's so much controversy over the history of Deschampsia antarctica, a grass species growing in Maritime Antarctica, Subantarctic and in Chile, I think. People argue whether it was recently introduced to Antarctica (which is unlikely, given the gap between it and S America) or has survived there since before it grew the ice shield (which is unlikely, given how similar are plants from remote locations.)

If speciation rates were easily determined, this would not be much of a question.