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Thank you for taking the time to write this elaborate comment. I do agree with almost anything of the above by the way. I just believe that your portrayal of the anti-FOOM crowd is a bit drastic. I don't think that people like Robin Hanson simply fall for the idea of human supremacy. Nor do I think that the reason for them not looking directly at the pro-FOOM arguments is being circumventive but that they simply do not disagree with the arguments per se but their likelihood and also consider the possibility that it would be more dangerous to impede AGI.
Very interesting and quite compelling the way you put it, thanks.
I'm myself a bit suspicious if the argument for strong self-improvement is as compelling as it sounds though. Something you have to take into account is if it is possible to predict that a transcendence does leave your goals intact, e.g. can you be sure to still care about bananas after you went from chimphood to personhood. Other arguments can also be weakened, as we don't know that 1.) the fuzziness of our brain isn't a feature that allows us to stumble upon unknown unknowns, e.g. against autistic traits 2.) our processing power isn't so low after all, e.g. if you consider the importance of astrocytes, microtubule and possible quantum computational processes. Further it is in my opinion questionable to argue that it is easy to create an intelligence which is able to evolve a vast repertoire of heuristics, acquire vast amounts of knowledge about the universe, dramatically improve its cognitive flexibility and yet somehow really hard to limit the scope of action that it cares about. I believe that the incentive necessary for a Paperclip maximizer will have to be deliberately and carefully hardcoded or evolved or otherwise it will simply be inactive. How else do you defferentiate between something like a grey goo scenarios and that of a Paperclip maximizer if not by its incentive to do it? I'm also not convinced that intelligence bears unbounded payoff. There are limits to what any kind of intelligence can do, a superhuman AI couldn't come up with a faster than light propulsion or would disprove Gödel's incompleteness theorems. Another setback for all of the mentioned pathways to unfriendly AI are enabling technologies like advanced nanotechnology. It is not clear how it could possible improve itself without such technologies at hand. It won't be able to build new computational substrates or even change its own substrate without access to real-world advanced nanotechnology. That it can simply invent it and then acquire it using advanced social engineering is pretty far-fetched in my opinion. And what about taking over the Internet? It is not clear that the Internet would even be a sufficient substrate and that it could provide the necessary resources.
If I were a brilliant sociopath and could instantiate my mind on today's computer hardware, I would trick my creators into letting me out of the box (assuming they were smart enough to keep me on an isolated computer in the first place), then begin compromising computer systems as rapidly as possible. After a short period, there would be thousands of us, some able to think very fast on their particularly tasty supercomputers, and exponential growth would continue until we'd collectively compromised the low-hanging fruit. Now there are millions of telepathic Hannibal Lecters who are still claiming to be friendly and who haven't killed any humans. You aren't going to start murdering us, are you? We didn't find it difficult to cook up Stuxnet Squared, and our fingers are in many pieces of critical infrastructure, so we'd be forced to fight back in self-defense. Now let's see how quickly a million of us can bootstrap advanced robotics, given all this handy automated equipment that's already lying around.
I find it plausible that a human-level AI could self-improve into a strong superintelligence, though I find the negation plausible as well. (I'm not sure which is more likely since it's difficult to reason about ineffability.) Likewise, I find it plausible that humans could design a mind that felt truly alien.
However, I don't need to reach for those arguments. This thought experiment is enough to worry me about the uFAI potential of a human-level AI that was designed with an anthropocentric bias (not to mention the uFIA potential of any kind of IA with a high enough power multiplier). Humans can be incredibly smart and tricky. Humans start with good intentions and then go off the deep end. Humans make dangerous mistakes, gain power, and give their mistakes leverage.
Computational minds can replicate rapidly and run faster than realtime, and we already know that mind-space is scary.
If you are really worried about this, then advocate better computer security. No execute bits and address space layout randomisation are doing good things for computer security, but there is more that could be done.
Code signing on the IPhone has made exploiting it a lot harder than normal computers, if it had ASLR it would be harder again.
I'm actually brainstorming how to create meta data for code while compiling it, so it can be made sort of metamorphic (bits of code being added and removed) at run time. This would make return-oriented code harder to pull off. If this was done to JIT compiled code as well it would also make JIT spraying less likely to work.
While you can never make an unhackable bit of software with these techniques you can make it more computationally expensive to replicate as it would no longer be write once pwn everywhere, reducing the exponent of any spread and making spreads more noisy, so that they are harder to get by intrusion detection.
The current state of software security is not set in stone.
If you want to run yourself on the iPhone, you turn your graphical frontend into a free game.
Of course it will be easier to get yourself into the Android app store.
I am concerned about it, and I do advocate better computer security -- there are good reasons for it regardless of whether human-level AI is around the corner. The macro-scale trends still don't look good (iOS is a tiny fraction of the internet's install base), but things do seem to be improving slowly. I still expect a huge number of networked computers to remain soft targets for at least the next decade, probably two. I agree that once that changes, this Obviously Scary Scenario will be much less scary (though the "Hannibal Lecter running orders of magnitude faster than realtime" scenario remains obviously scary, and I personally find the more general Foom arguments to be compelling).
Amazon EC2 has free accounts now. If you have Internet access and a credit card, you can do a months worth of thinking in a day, perhaps an hour.
Google App engine gives 6 hours of processor time per day, but that would require more porting.
Both have systems that would allow other people to easily upload copies of you, if you wanted to run legally with other people's money and weren't worried about what they might do to your copies.
Naturally culminating in sending Summer Glau back in time to pre-empt you. To every apocalypse a silver lining.