Vaniver comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 5 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vaniver 20 November 2010 10:40:49PM 0 points [-]

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Comment author: ArisKatsaris 21 November 2010 11:51:50AM 0 points [-]

Canon!Dumbledore didn't sacrifice himself to save Harry (and Draco) -- he was already dying, and he just arranged his death in such a way that Snape would be in the most trusted position possible, and the Elder Wand permanently deprived of a "true master". He failed in the latter goal.

Comment author: Vaniver 21 November 2010 07:43:08PM 1 point [-]

But he was already dying because of anti-Voldemort choices he made. I'm not sure we can expect MoR!Dumbledore to make the same choices unless he sees them as a fitting end for his life (which he may not, given that he's not Harry's mentor figure).