JoshuaZ comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 5 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 25 November 2010 06:05:33AM 5 points [-]

Instead, you should attack the subject's confidence directly. Brag about your analysis of some form of evidence that can't be effectively suppressed, tell fictional but realistic-seeming stories about crime scene investigators with mythic levels of competence and dedication. To make it clear that you're not bluffing, capture some people who thought they'd never be caught and extract confessions from them.

So have lots of cop shows on TV? That seems to be the best strategy given how much people generalize from fictional evidence.

Comment author: shokwave 25 November 2010 08:27:50AM 2 points [-]

That is a chilling thought. The preponderance of cop shows on TV is real-world social engineering to predispose individuals not to commit crimes?

Comment author: Mass_Driver 25 November 2010 08:56:07AM 9 points [-]

There's a simpler explanation: people like watching cop shows with mythically competent investigators because it helps them maintain the pleasant belief that most crime will be detected and punished. This not only makes them feel safer, but also helps them rationalize away any feelings of cowardice or subordination associated with choosing to follow society's rules.

To the extent that network execs push cop shows with happy endings for ideological reasons, it's much more likely that they simply applaud when they see "criminals get caught" than that they follow any hypothesis as complicated as "the best way to deter crime is to lower criminals' confidence that they will escape detection by propagating fictional evidence that people will erroneously generalize from."

Comment author: shokwave 25 November 2010 09:27:33AM 4 points [-]

Right; stupidity (or at least, weakness to bias) is a much better explanation than malice.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 25 November 2010 09:31:20AM 2 points [-]

Agreed.

Even if there's an attempt at social engineering, the audiences would have their own motivations for watching.

Anyone have information about whether such shows are popular with people who are subject to obviously corrupt and/or arbitrarily violent policing?

Infallible police shows might also be popular because people identify with the police-- it would be fun to be right all the time and able to enforce it.

Comment author: Jack 25 November 2010 03:21:27PM 1 point [-]

Not in most cases, but in some.