shokwave comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 5 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shokwave 27 November 2010 05:23:24AM 2 points [-]

If it is a simulation, and time travel devices are limited in ways to save on computation and such, some of these restraints make sense: the quibble over what counts as information is resolved as "anything that will force the simulation to recalculate futures", the simulation buffer is locked to one per time-turner because allowing an arbitrary number of retries would cause the computation requirements to explode, and Harry can get around the limit by using someone else's "turn", even if they can't use it, because they have information that the simulation won't allow to travel.

My money is on Dumbledore's timeturner. McGonagall, Snape, and Amelia Bones won't suspect it, all having witnessed Dumbledore receive future information (therefore he can't travel back in time far enough). Harry will capitulate to Dumbledore's offer of the Timeturner once he determines that a) Dumbledore knows Harry was involved in the Azkaban break, and b) being able to travel the full 6 hours will convince the rest of the wizarding world, including his teachers, that Harry was not involved. Dumbledore will do this because it suits his interests (or sense of drama) to have war declared on Voldemort.

Comment author: Desrtopa 27 November 2010 05:43:17AM *  2 points [-]

I don't think Dumbledore would knowingly declare war on Voldemort prematurely. If he doesn't believe Voldemort is back, he won't try to convince others that he is.

Comment author: shokwave 27 November 2010 03:26:21PM *  2 points [-]

Dumbledore very nearly took over the wizarding world of Britain last time there was a war, according to the Malfoys. This is a good reason for him to have war declared yet again, even (especially!) in the absence of Voldemort.

Comment author: Desrtopa 27 November 2010 06:34:20PM *  3 points [-]

Then why wait until he actually has reason to think that Voldemort may be on the brink of returning? Why not simply fabricate evidence?

I'm fairly confident that the Malfoys are wrong in their assessment of him. Not only would it be an arbitrary departure from the original canon, having nothing to do with making certain characters more rational, there are also plenty of ways he could have pursued his supposed ends more effectively if those were his real goals.

Comment author: shokwave 28 November 2010 06:51:18AM 1 point [-]

Not only would it be an arbitrary departure from the original canon

I don't think it would depart from canon, and it would be very much in line with fanon: the fanfiction involving Dumbledore shows him as someone who thinks he knows better - and has no qualms about misleading or mistreating anyone to get them to do as he wishes. Canon never states this outright, but it does give you all the evidence you need to make a decision: Dumbledore, with full knowledge of the situation, condemned Harry to spend nine years of child abuse under the Dursleys.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 30 November 2010 04:47:33AM 0 points [-]

Then why wait until he actually has reason to think that Voldemort may be on the brink of returning? Why not simply fabricate evidence?

People like to think of themselves as good. Many ambitious people might use unfortunate circumstances as a reason to get power even as they wouldn't go out of their way to cause those circumstances to come about.