orthonormal comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 5 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: orthonormal 27 November 2010 11:02:28PM *  2 points [-]

MoR!Dumbledore is clearly set up as Genre Savvy rather than rational- part of the interest of this work is the way it distinguishes the two.

Comment author: mkehrt 28 November 2010 08:38:34AM 0 points [-]

I've got to say, I think the wizardly mentor character pointing out the mistakes of Gandalf is about as far from Genre Savvy as one can get!

Comment author: orthonormal 28 November 2010 08:49:21PM 4 points [-]

I don't understand your comment. He's casting himself as the Gandalf of this story, and trying to avoid one of Gandalf's grave mistakes. That is exactly what is meant by Genre Savvy.

Comment author: TobyBartels 29 November 2010 06:13:16AM 1 point [-]

Well, that's exactly what is meant by Genre Savvy if he is correct in his casting. I worry that he's really Wrong Genre Savvy.

Comment author: mkehrt 29 November 2010 02:56:51AM 1 point [-]

Hm, I guess you are right.

However, it still seems to me that Dumbledore is acting significantly more sane than he has in previous chapters. So far he has attempted to fill the role of Wise Old Wizard exactly.

Comment author: Strange7 29 November 2010 09:12:35AM 1 point [-]

Harry attempted to fill the role of Brave Young Hero and succeeded at that, but in the process, committed to something incredibly dangerous with less consideration than he would have given it under other circumstances.

Role-filling =/= sanity.

Comment author: wnoise 29 November 2010 12:32:50PM 1 point [-]

I'd say rather that role-filling isn't necessarily a smart thing. Much of how humans interact is little more than negotiated role-filling. In fact, choosing to fill-roles can be quite useful and adaptive. I don't think it's useful meaning of the word to consider 95% of the human race to be insane. Jumping into such choices without sufficient introspection, thought and intent is likely to lead to poorer outcomes, of course.