Tyrrell_McAllister comments on Rationality Quotes: November 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 04 November 2010 01:51:40AM *  3 points [-]

What evidence is there that Galileo was tortured?

A gun can be used to commit a crime even if it isn't fired.

Comment author: steven0461 04 November 2010 02:36:06AM *  3 points [-]

"Torture" here is analogous to "shooting", not "crime".

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 04 November 2010 02:55:00AM *  4 points [-]

I was analogizing "torture" with "gun", not "crime" or "shooting". Torture was a tool that the church had on hand and was prepared to use, and Galileo's knowledge of their threat to use torture was what led him to recant. (It was the forcing of his recanting that was the "crime" in my analogy.)

It might be more precise to say that what the church had on hand was an institutionalized practice of torture, but using "torture" to refer to the practice (rather than a particular act) seems within the bounds of accuracy in poetry.

Comment author: Emile 04 November 2010 06:55:47PM 2 points [-]

That's a bit contrived - imagine if a presidential candidate mentions how his will was broken by torture in Vietnam, and afterward it's revealed that all that happened was that he was told he might be tortured, so he spilled the beans immediately. I wouldn't expect his poll numbers to go up.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 04 November 2010 07:13:38PM 6 points [-]

imagine if a presidential candidate mentions how his will was broken by torture in Vietnam, and afterward it's revealed that all that happened was that he was told he might be tortured, so he spilled the beans immediately. I wouldn't expect his poll numbers to go up.

I would still say that torture was used to break his will. To say this would be accurate, if not precise (because I'm not specifying whether I mean a particular act or an institutionalized practice). Whether his will proved too easy to break to satisfy the electorate is another matter.