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Comment author: MichaelGR 04 November 2010 09:10:40PM 13 points [-]

It is a profound and necessary truth that the deep things in science are not found because they are useful, they are found because it was possible to find them. -J. Robert Oppenheimer.

Comment author: bentarm 04 November 2010 10:56:05PM 2 points [-]

There are two quite different interpretations of this quote: it either says something about scientists, or something about scientific truths, and I'm not sure which is the intention.

The two messages I see are:

  1. Scientists just enjoy seeking truths, you don't need to give them the incentive of practical applications in order for them to do science, so any truths that can be discovered will be, regardless of their usefulness.

  2. There are an awful lot of true things. The ones that we know might not be the most useful, but they are the ones that happen to lie in the (extremely small?) subset of true things that humans are capable of understanding.

To an extent, I guess both of these are true... which one was Oppenheimer aiming at?

Comment author: Perplexed 05 November 2010 10:54:44PM 2 points [-]

[one interpretation of Oppenheimer:] There are an awful lot of true things. The ones that we know might not be the most useful, but they are the ones that happen to lie in the (extremely small?) subset of true things that humans are capable of understanding.

Quibble: Two things you might have missed:

  • Oppenheimer was talking about "deep things in science", not about "truths."
  • He said "possible to find them", not "possible to understand them".
Comment author: stochastic 05 November 2010 10:35:07PM 0 points [-]

<quote>There are an awful lot of true things. </quote>

I think that many of the things that are commonly regarded as being "true" are socially constructed fictions, biases and fallacies. Moreover science can never attain absolute truth it can only strive for it.

Comment author: orthonormal 09 November 2010 12:38:46AM 4 points [-]

Hi stochastic, and welcome to Less Wrong!

This is actually a really important topic. I agree that there are a lot of cultural and normative claims that don't deserve to be called "true" or "false", despite their common usage as such. I'd be cautious of using the phrase "absolute truth", since it conjures up false expectations compared to the actual process of increasing confidence in models of the world.

Really relevant: The Simple Truth

P.S. Introduce yourself on the welcome page when you have a moment!

Comment author: Emile 06 November 2010 11:38:51AM *  3 points [-]

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Comment author: wedrifid 04 November 2010 09:52:53PM 0 points [-]

It is a profound and necessary truth that the deep things in science are not found because they are useful, they are found because it was possible to find them. -J. Robert Oppenheimer.

Profound, necessary and optimistic. :)