Perplexed comments on The hard limits of hard nanotech - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Perplexed 08 November 2010 01:47:55AM 2 points [-]

Biological nano-scale engineering has an additional constraint: it must be evolvable.

Could you explain this claim?

Comment author: Johnicholas 08 November 2010 04:02:39AM 4 points [-]

In order for us to observe biological (as opposed to intelligently designed) nanoscale engineering in the wild, it must be possible for it to have evolved.

If you look at genetic algorithms, they don't find all, many, most, or the best solutions - they find solutions which have paths of a certain type leading to them. You could call these paths axis-aligned, where each gene corresponds to an axis. E.g. http://www.caplet.com/MannaMouse.html

The applet only has two genes, and so doesn't have any of the changing-numbers-of-genes phenomena that we expect in the real world, but it gives a rough sense that evolution works in a specific, simple, and not very smart manner over the fitness landscape.

Comment author: ewbrownv 08 November 2010 05:09:42PM 1 point [-]

Indeed. An even bigger constraint is energy consumption - natural life forms operate under absurdly constrained energy budgets compared to machinery, which sharply limits the materials they can be made of and the performance they can deliver.

Comment author: Perplexed 08 November 2010 05:28:47AM *  1 point [-]

Ok, yes, I understand that anything interesting we find in the wild must have arisen by evolution, and hence that it must be evolvable. But I understood your reference to "engineering" to mean "designed by an intelligent human being". In which case, evolvability is rather irrelevant.

You apparently are anthropomorphizing Nature as an engineer. That is OK with me, but please don't imagine that we are not capable of doing some biological nanoscale engineering on our own, making no further use of evolution than to utilize the enzyme systems and ribosomes with which Nature has already presented us.

Comment author: Johnicholas 08 November 2010 12:01:56PM 0 points [-]

Yes, you're correct, I was anthropomorphizing evolution as an engineer; my "biological" corresponds to your "in the wild".