David_Allen comments on A note on the description complexity of physical theories - Less Wrong

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Comment author: David_Allen 10 November 2010 04:59:36PM 0 points [-]

There are two problems with this test.

First, the result of a coin flip is almost certainly determined by starting conditions. With enough knowledge of those conditions you could predict the result. Instead you should make a measurement on a quantum system, such as measuring the spin of an electron.

Second the result of this test does not distinguish between QI and not-QI. The probability of being knocked out or left awake is the same in both cases.

I suppose you could be assuming that your consciousness can jump arbitrarily between universes to follow a conscious version of you.... but no that would just be silly.

Comment author: Jack 11 November 2010 01:25:22AM 2 points [-]

Instead you should make a measurement on a quantum system, such as measuring the spin of an electron.

This is probably what Thomas meant by "quantum" coin flip.

Comment author: David_Allen 11 November 2010 02:55:22AM *  1 point [-]

You are right, I missed that. I probably shouldn't post comments when I'm hungry, I've got a few other comments like this to account for as well. :)

Comment author: Thomas 10 November 2010 05:42:23PM 0 points [-]

I don't postulate anything, what it is not already postulated in the so called Quantum Suicide mental experiment.

I just apply this on to the sleeping/coma case. Should work the same.

But I don't think it works in either case.

Comment author: David_Allen 10 November 2010 08:07:10PM *  0 points [-]

I don't postulate anything, what it is not already postulated in the so called Quantum Suicide mental experiment.

The test you proposed does not distinguish between QI and not-QI. I don't think that the current formulation of MWI even allows this to be tested.

I just apply this on to the sleeping/coma case. Should work the same.

Not a factor to my argument, both are untestable. You are arguing this point against other others, not me.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 11 November 2010 12:00:21AM -1 points [-]

First, the result of a coin flip is almost certainly determined by starting conditions. With enough knowledge of those conditions you could predict the result.

If that's a valid objection, then quantum suicide won't work either. In fact, if that's a valid objection, then many-worlds is impossible, since everything is deterministic with no possible alternatives.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 11 November 2010 12:13:15AM 0 points [-]

Many-worlds is a deterministic theory, as it says that the split configurations both occur.

Quantum immortality, mind you, is a very silly idea for a variety of other reasons -- foremost of which is that a googleplex of universes still doesn't ensure that there exists one of them in which a recognizable "you" survives next week, let alone to the end of time.