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Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 05 December 2010 10:35:22AM *  1 point [-]

From here on, Germany guarantees the Holy Roman Empire's safety, conditional on the Holy Roman Empire assisting the German/English alliance against France. Presuming that the Holy Roman Empire assists the GE Alliance in the taking of Marseilles, Germany will consider any hostile actions against the Holy Roman Empire as declarations of war against Germany and will retaliate accordingly. As a further repayment for their help, the Holy Roman Empire will also be allowed to claim Marseilles as its own.

These guarantees will last until France has been eradicated from the whole continent of Europe, after which further agreements may be negotiated.

Comment author: prase 05 December 2010 11:11:21AM *  3 points [-]

It is a sad moment when neither Germany nor Austria are able to punish the outrage caused by Italian dictator's arrogance and pride. I mean, it's true that the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire, but at least it was of the German Nation. Damn, if Greece can block the accession of Macedonia to NATO because of the country's name, Austria considers it obligatory to protest against the Duce's new title.

Comment author: Carinthium 06 December 2010 12:27:10AM 1 point [-]

Austria gave up the title of Holy Roman Emperor, and there is a good case the Germans never deserved it in the first place. By contrast, the Venetians have at least moved our capital to Rome and control the heartlands of the old Empire.

Comment author: Vaniver 06 December 2010 06:17:23PM *  3 points [-]

I must protest; clearly His Supreme Majesty Mehmed V hold the best claim for this title, as our capital is Nova Roma, which has been the capital of the empire for longer than the provincial city of Rome was.

Comment author: Carinthium 06 December 2010 11:19:57PM 1 point [-]

From it's roots the Roman Empire was made for the Romans themselves- moving the capital from Rome was a betrayal of what the Empire stood for. The Empire began in Rome- it is fitting that it should be rooted there.

Comment author: Vaniver 07 December 2010 05:07:31AM 3 points [-]

From it's roots the Roman Empire was made for the Romans themselves- moving the capital from Rome was a betrayal of what the Empire stood for.

Hardly! The virtues of the Romans was not their ethnicity, but democracy, honor, and learning; one could hardly deny that a Spaniard such as Marcus Aurelius deserves mention as a Roman! Constantine's decision to move the capital from the place of the Empire's birth to its natural seat of government, from which all the empire could easily be accessed, was surely the pinnacle of wisdom. When Italy had reverted to barbarism, the Empire remained strong and centered in Constantinople. When the lights of learning had gone out in Italy, we kept the Greek and Latin works alive.

It is only in Constantinople where Roman rule can be said to continue unbroken.

Comment author: Carinthium 07 December 2010 08:42:53AM 2 points [-]

Much as we pride ourselves on our ancestry, you flatter us too much- our ancestors did not have a democracy, although they came uniquely close to their age. The historical evidence suggests they would identify people as Romans based on ethnicity, not virtue.

Constantinople was a well-defended city, but it was too far east to be an efficient seat of government. In addition, it further seperated the Roman people from the Empire they had earned.

Finally, the true ancient Romans of the Republican era would not have considered Marcus Aurelius a Roman.

Comment author: Perplexed 06 December 2010 11:58:05PM 2 points [-]

Yet it is the Russian and German empires which continue to style their emperors "Caesar".

Comment author: Carinthium 07 December 2010 08:38:50AM 3 points [-]

A mistake we are now correcting.