InquilineKea comments on Rationality and being child-free - Less Wrong

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Comment author: InquilineKea 20 November 2010 02:28:09AM 4 points [-]

Yes, that's true. The thing is this: it is rational for each of us to be childless, even though childlessness is not collectively rational for us all. It's sort of like a prisoner's dilemma with many people in it.

Comment author: knb 20 November 2010 04:01:27AM 5 points [-]

Also known as a "Tragedy of the Commons".

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 20 November 2010 04:11:25AM 3 points [-]

You can also think of it as evolution selecting against atheism.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 20 November 2010 03:55:33AM 4 points [-]

Eliezer discusses a situation like this here.

Comment author: David_Gerard 20 November 2010 08:26:00PM *  9 points [-]

it is rational for each of us to be childless

I find this statement highly questionable standalone. Rational given what aims?

It's sort of like a prisoner's dilemma with many people in it.

This, however, explains people who get incredibly upset at the notion of others not wanting children and brand them "selfish".

Comment author: [deleted] 20 November 2010 09:08:47PM *  0 points [-]

Very important. Any memeplex that has aims that happen to produce kids will have a edge. It just so happens few if any secular memplexes have made this possible.

But this is odd especially since values are arbitrary, is there really no value one can pursue that is best served (among other things) in having children (and perhaps attempt to imprint the same values on them)?

This, however, explains people who get incredibly upset at the notion of others not wanting children and brand them "selfish".

Its the same kind of upset a different kind of people have when they don't see someone ,who has already heard all the arguments for it, recycling.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 20 November 2010 11:34:17PM 5 points [-]

Very important. Any memeplex that has aims that happen to produce kids will have a edge. It just so happens few if any secular memplexes have made this possible.

Another way a memeplex can succeed is by being very good at converting others. Note that such a memeplex if left unchecked could cause humans, or at least whatever culture it spreads in to evolve to extinction. As such leaders of other memeplexes may take extreme measures to suppress it.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 November 2010 01:30:17AM *  1 point [-]

Agreed. However very virulent memeplexes are unlikley to be attacked, they will quickly gain sympathy in nearly any organization.