saturn comments on What I've learned from Less Wrong - Less Wrong

79 Post author: Louie 20 November 2010 12:47PM

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Comment author: saturn 20 November 2010 08:56:25PM 3 points [-]

You can choose to think of signaling beliefs as lying, but that's not very helpful to anyone. It's what most people do naturally and therefore not a violation of anyone's expectations in most contexts. Maybe instead it should be called speaking Statusese.

People don't pick up on the literal truth of your statements but on your own belief that you are doing something wrong. For instance, writers of fiction aren't typically considered immoral liars.

Comment author: sark 20 November 2010 10:29:49PM 0 points [-]

People will agree to fiction not being true, but not to their professed beliefs not being true.

Comment author: timtyler 20 November 2010 09:15:00PM *  0 points [-]

Signalling beliefs that don't match your actual beliefs is what I said and meant.

Like claiming to be a vegan, and then eating spam.

Comment author: saturn 20 November 2010 09:26:15PM *  4 points [-]

If the whole world claims to be vegan and then eats spam, and moreover sees this as completely normal and expected, and sees people who don't do it as weird and untrustworthy, what exactly are you accomplishing by refusing to go along with it?

Comment author: sark 20 November 2010 10:33:18PM 0 points [-]

Some of us have trouble keeping near and far modes separate. People like us if we try professing veganism, will find ourselves ending up not eating spam.

My personal solution is to lie, I'm actually quite good at it!

Comment author: timtyler 20 November 2010 09:32:58PM 0 points [-]

What does that have to do with the topic? That was just an example of signalling beliefs that don't match your actual beliefs.

Comment author: wedrifid 20 November 2010 09:03:21PM 0 points [-]

One could as easily say that it isn't useful to consider lying from the viewpoint of morality.