TheOtherDave comments on Why abortion looks more okay to us than killing babies - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 24 November 2010 05:15:45PM 10 points [-]

Of course, life doesn't really begin at conception, either. Sperm and unfertilized egg cells are just as alive as fertilized egg cells are, after all. Life carries forward from one self-replicating cell to its replicant; it doesn't emerge spontaneously from inert materials.

So does nothing interesting happen at conception? Well, that's not true either.

What is created at conception is not life, but a unique individual, one we consider importantly different from other organisms (well, we sometimes consider the difference important).

Seen from this perspective, something interesting happens at birth, also: independent viability seems like an important part of what we mean when we call something an individual.

And seen from this perspective, something interesting also happens at some less-clearly-defined point after birth... a newborn infant isn't viable in the same way a mature adult is.

Of course, "independent viability" for a human is pretty much always a matter of degree. Our social groups are part of our identities, and much of our viability depends on them.

Comment author: DanArmak 24 November 2010 09:46:36PM -1 points [-]

What is created at conception is not life, but a unique individual

Individual in the sense of a separate physical object, yes. But not in the sense of an individual person.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 25 November 2010 02:16:33AM 4 points [-]

I think it's probably safest to taboo "person" in this context.