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By principle of charity, I interpret Marshall as saying not that rationalists can't be kind, but that rationalism alone doesn't make you kind. Judging by my informal torture vs. pie experiments, I find this to be true. Rationality is necessary but not sufficient for a friendly world. We also need people who value the right kind of things. Rationality can help clarify and amplify morality, but it's got to start from pre-rational sources. Until further research is done, I suggest making everyone watch a lot of Thundercats and seeing whether that helps :)
Of course, like with every use of the principle of charity, I might just be reading too much into a statement that really was stupid.
Your torture vs. pie experiment makes me think of another potential experiment. Is torture ever preferable to making, say, 3^^^3 people never have pie again? (In the sense of dust specks, the never eating pie is to be the entire consequence of the action. The potential pie utility is just gone, nothing else.)
By the principle of accuracy, I look up Marshall's other comments: http://lesswrong.com/user/Marshall/
Marshall doesn't have to be voted down for being wrong. He can be voted down for using an applause light and being vague.
"Marshall doesn't have to be voted down for being wrong. He can be voted down for using an applause light and being vague."
So can Eliezer_Yudkowsky.
"I have no wish to be a member of a club, who will not have me."
This is not the case. You've made over 30 comments; it's trivial for an individual to swing your karma by large amounts. I note that your karma has made large swings in the ~30 minutes I've been considering this reply. If you want to discuss the group dynamics of LW then I have more to say, but I'm going to request (temporarily) that you don't accuse me of groupthink or status seeking if you do.