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116 Post author: RobinHanson 17 March 2009 01:39PM

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Comment author: Yvain 18 March 2009 02:10:52PM *  9 points [-]

By principle of charity, I interpret Marshall as saying not that rationalists can't be kind, but that rationalism alone doesn't make you kind. Judging by my informal torture vs. pie experiments, I find this to be true. Rationality is necessary but not sufficient for a friendly world. We also need people who value the right kind of things. Rationality can help clarify and amplify morality, but it's got to start from pre-rational sources. Until further research is done, I suggest making everyone watch a lot of Thundercats and seeing whether that helps :)

Of course, like with every use of the principle of charity, I might just be reading too much into a statement that really was stupid.

Comment author: astray 18 March 2009 04:29:04PM 3 points [-]

Your torture vs. pie experiment makes me think of another potential experiment. Is torture ever preferable to making, say, 3^^^3 people never have pie again? (In the sense of dust specks, the never eating pie is to be the entire consequence of the action. The potential pie utility is just gone, nothing else.)