Eugine_Nier comments on The Sin of Persuasion - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Mass_Driver 29 November 2010 01:02:27AM 6 points [-]

They only seem inconsequential if you haven't internalized the idea that they apply to anything real.

My subjective impression is that most moderately religious people in industrialized countries haven't. Otherwise, when relatives drop out of the faith, you would expect to see them get daily evangelical phone calls, rather than frosty silence.

Likewise parenting and politics -- there are 10 partisan hacks who have trouble making friends with people of the opposite party for every 1 activist who actually leaves her county to do some electioneering. You hear a lot about parents who don't want their kid associating with what they see as the children of unduly (lax / anal-retentive) parents, and these people might urgently defend their views at, e.g., a dinner party, but you rarely hear of campaigns where a parent goes around trying to convince all her closest friends (let alone the whole community) that X parenting style ruins kids' lives. Hell, people usually don't even do that when they think mercury in vaccines causes autism.

People believe that they believe that parenting, politics, and religion have consequences, but they don't actually believe it. That's my opinion, anyway.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 29 November 2010 06:42:03AM 2 points [-]

Hell, people usually don't even do that when they think mercury in vaccines causes autism.

That's more a case of people saving their own kids before saving their neighbors'. If it's sufficiently hard to save oneself, people won't always get to the save one's neighbor part.

Comment author: Mass_Driver 29 November 2010 07:40:33AM 0 points [-]

That makes plenty of sense, Eugine_Nier, but the premise of this whole little exchange (admittedly, several layers up in the comment thread) was that at least some people do care enough to try to save their neighbors, and only refrain because of social norms against being annoyingly evangelical.

But it’s worth wondering, when we consider a society which upholds a free market of ideas which compete on their relative strength, whether we’ve taken adequate precautions against the sheer annoyingness of a society where the taboo on actually trying to convince others of one’s beliefs has been lifted.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 29 November 2010 08:04:06AM 1 point [-]

That makes plenty of sense, Eugine_Nier, but the premise of this whole little exchange (admittedly, several layers up in the comment thread) was that at least some people do care enough to try to save their neighbors, and only refrain because of social norms against being annoyingly evangelical.

In particular violating that social norm would make it harder for them to save themselves.