kybernetikos comments on Belief in Belief vs. Internalization - Less Wrong

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Comment author: kybernetikos 29 November 2010 02:41:30PM *  3 points [-]

I've heard this contrasted as 'knowledge', where you intellectually assent to something and can make predictions from it and 'belief', where you order your life according to that knowledge, but this distinction is certainly not made in normal speech.

A common illustration of this distinction (often told by preachers) is that Blondin the tightrope walker asked the crowd if they believed he could safely carry someone across the Niagra falls on a tightrope, and almost the whole crowd shouted 'yes'. Then he asked for a volunteer to become the first man ever so carried, at which point the crowd shut up. In the end the only person he could find to accept was his manager.

Comment author: CronoDAS 29 November 2010 04:19:05PM 4 points [-]

Would they be safe? Probably. Would they enjoy the experience? Probably not...

Comment author: kybernetikos 29 November 2010 04:59:49PM *  0 points [-]

Yeah, that is a problem with the illustration. However, I don't think it's completely devoid of use.

Taking a risk based on some knowledge is a very strong sign of having internalised that knowledge.

Comment author: steven0461 29 November 2010 07:26:14PM 6 points [-]

Risking one's life to make a point requires not just belief but an extreme degree of belief, which the crowd was not asked to express.

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Comment author: ndm25 29 November 2010 07:14:50PM *  1 point [-]

Is that a knee-jerk insult pointed at religion? If so, you're the AI Professor who takes cheap shots at Republicans.

If not, apologies, I must have missed the point.

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Comment author: Relsqui 30 November 2010 11:27:45AM 2 points [-]

I've seen you delete comments that received objecting responses a few times now. Why do you do that?