Desrtopa comments on Belief in Belief vs. Internalization - Less Wrong

33 Post author: Desrtopa 29 November 2010 03:12AM

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Comment author: shokwave 29 November 2010 01:22:00PM 5 points [-]

Is there an underlying problem

I don't know either, but I do know that an internalised, correct understanding of pressure and one of its measures 'pounds per square inch' would be a sufficient condition to save his life. The parable of the pressure vessel seems to be a case of an incorrect belief (one pound isn't much), whereas the parable of the invisible dragon seems to be a case of a correct belief (invisible dragon in my garage) that hasn't been internalised, and so has not produced beliefs it ought to (invisible DRAGON IN MY GARAGE!)

Comment author: Desrtopa 29 November 2010 06:54:24PM *  3 points [-]

I suppose that in doing it in the form of a parable (or this parable, anyway,) I erred on the side of being memorable over clear, but that was what I had in mind when I wrote it. A dragon in one's garage is something where it's intuitively obvious that you don't want to go near, once you internalize the fact that it's really there. That's the kind of mistake that we've had millions of years of evolution to prepare us against making. Opening up the garage door to investigate is the sort of behavior that only makes sense when you haven't internalized the idea that there's really something in there that's liable to eat you.

Realistically, the man would probably be terrified if he had seen it eat other animals already, but I threw that in to make the parable flow better. The invisibility and inaudibility probably wouldn't be sufficient in real life given that, but they're stand in qualities for the sort of remove that might prevent one from internalizing a belief.

Comment author: shokwave 30 November 2010 05:27:00AM 2 points [-]

I upvoted because I immediately understood what you meant; I am humble enough to believe that is a fact about the post and not about my skill at understanding.