ShardPhoenix comments on Unsolved Problems in Philosophy Part 1: The Liar's Paradox - Less Wrong

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Comment author: cousin_it 30 November 2010 09:57:05AM 6 points [-]

I'm not sure if I like this paper (it seems to be trying to do too much), but it did contain something new to me - Yablo's non-self-referential version of the Liar Paradox: for every natural number n, let S(n) be the statement that for all m>n S(m) is false. Also there is a funny non-self-referential formulation by Quine: “Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation” yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation.

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 30 November 2010 11:10:28AM *  1 point [-]

The second has an implied "This sentence ..." so I'd say it's still self-referential.

edit: actually I don't think that's required (the quote is the subject) so it does count I suppose.

Comment author: shokwave 30 November 2010 12:55:02PM 1 point [-]

If I remember rightly, the process is called "quining" and while it produces similar paradoxes and problems, it is distinct from self-reference. Linguistically, at least - logically one might be a form of the other.

Comment author: wedrifid 30 November 2010 11:18:40AM 0 points [-]

(Upvoted the edit!)