Larks comments on Unsolved Problems in Philosophy Part 1: The Liar's Paradox - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Larks 06 December 2010 01:26:43AM 3 points [-]

What about

'all sentances are either true or false'.

This sounds like the sort of sentance we'd want to assign a truth value to. Yet we can instanciate it into

'this sentance is either true or false'

Which is problematic - and yet it seems that it must have a truth value if the first sentance did.

Comment author: Jack 06 December 2010 02:57:36AM *  2 points [-]

I'm comfortable (mostly, it's a bit of a bullet bite) saying 'all sentences are either true or false' doesn't have a truth value, since to determine one you have to reference the sentence itself and that function doesn't terminate. You can say in English or a Meta-language that all well-formed formulas in some system are either true or false. But you can't say this in the object language.

Comment author: Manfred 06 December 2010 03:04:00AM 0 points [-]

Did you intend to note that "this sentence is either true or false" is a true sentence (for most methods of evaluation) that can't be evaluated by Yvain's fairly straightforward approach? Because that's definitely interesting (thanks Jack).

Just not messing with recursion, in general, is a fairly old solution and not very satisfying. I blame Yvain's writing ability for leading 9 people astray :D

Comment author: wedrifid 06 December 2010 02:33:45AM 0 points [-]

'this sentance is either true or false'

Which is problematic - and yet it seems that it must have a truth value if the first sentance did.

Why is that a problem? It is a true sentence.

Comment author: Jack 06 December 2010 02:41:22AM *  2 points [-]

I take it the problem is that it doesn't unpack even though it does have a truth value. Or at least it isn't obvious how to unpack it. It's a false negative candidate.

Comment author: wedrifid 06 December 2010 03:03:26AM 0 points [-]

So the point is that it is a sentence that demonstrates a problem with using unpackability as a requirement for qualifying as meaningful English? That seems reasonable.

Comment author: Jack 06 December 2010 03:07:41AM *  0 points [-]

That's what I got from it.

Note that the universal "All sentences are either true or false" also, doesn't appear to meet the unpackability requirement, though I'm not confident I know how to make a Tarski sentence out of that.