PhilGoetz comments on Defecting by Accident - A Flaw Common to Analytical People - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 01 December 2010 09:40:30PM *  32 points [-]

I have a theory about "dumb blonde syndrome", the idea that beautiful women are dumb. Folk psychology says that everybody gets the same number of character points to distribute among their attributes, so some people get intelligence while others get beauty. But reality says that beauty is correlated with <edit>health</edit>, which is correlated with intelligence. Beautiful people should tend to be smart. I think there is some positive beauty/intelligence correlation.

But I remember taking a class with a stunningly beautiful woman, who every week would loudly make some inane comment or question, and not realize it was inane because no one would tell her so. And I developed the theory that beautiful people don't learn to self-censor, because they don't need to. Anybody else would get ridiculed when they said something stupid, and learn to be more shy.

Maybe this also applies to smart people. They're more likely to be correct, and so less likely to be made fun of when speaking their mind, and so less needful of learning how to phrase a question in a way that reduces their chances of being made fun of.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 04 December 2010 03:36:13PM *  4 points [-]

Just the other day, Robin Hanson quoted a paper that showed a 0.3 correlation between people's judgements from photos of beauty and intelligence. So people seem to not believe in dumb blonde syndrome. It cited a survey [broken link] that, if I read the abstract correctly, also observes this correlated judgement, but denies that there is an actual correlation between beauty and intelligence. RH also linked to a study which not only claims that beauty and intelligence are correlated, but that this explains the wage premium for beauty. You may recall the study a few years ago that intelligence explains the wage premium for height.

I am surprised that there is disagreement in the psychological literature about whether beauty and intelligence are correlated.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 04 January 2011 02:22:55AM 0 points [-]

The most surprising thing to me about that link is that it indicates beautiful women are disadvantaged when seeking employment.

Comment author: orthonormal 04 January 2011 03:44:22AM 2 points [-]

Robin also mentioned an interesting recent study on that counterintuitive finding.

Comment author: David_Gerard 01 December 2010 09:42:28PM *  6 points [-]

I'm stunningly smart and I loudly make inane comments all the time. This is because I am also stupid.

(Now that I'm older and fatter, I'm realising just how much shit I got away with by being pretty when I was younger. It would have been worse if I hadn't been oblivious to it.)

It is quite important to be aware of one's stupidities, particularly when smart, or one will never be able to even start to alleviate them.

Comment author: juliawise 08 October 2011 01:04:27PM 2 points [-]

I think kids learn to specialize, to some extent. I was a goofy-looking kid who specialized in reading, while my cuter sister specialized in people-pleasing. (More of this might have to do with birth order.) But I think it's plausible that more attractive children lean towards social rather than intellectual pursuits.

My understanding is that beauty and health are correlated in a very broad, do-all-your-limbs work, are-you-malnourished sense. I would be surprised to learn that higher cheekbones are correlated with health.

Comment author: kilobug 08 October 2011 01:20:44PM 0 points [-]

Especially since there is a cultural part in "beauty". In some African cultures, a "fat" woman is considered beautiful, because (unconsciously) it means someone who has access to lots of food. In Western culture, the fashion shows and TV series tend to propagate the opposite : a very slim, even anorexic woman (to the point of being unhealthy) is considered beautiful.

Comment author: Desrtopa 02 December 2010 01:00:45AM 2 points [-]

That's an interesting possibility, but do you have more than one data point to base it on? I don't think it's clear that beautiful people having a general tendency to behave in an inane manner is an actual phenomenon requiring explanation.

Comment author: shokwave 04 December 2010 04:22:02PM 1 point [-]

Beauty affects development of social skills; perception of others as smart is influenced as much by social skills as by 'raw' intelligence?

Comment author: wedrifid 02 December 2010 01:15:41AM 1 point [-]

But I remember taking a class with a stunningly beautiful woman, who every week would loudly make some inane comment or question, and not realize it was inane because no one would tell her so.

The Emperor's New Clothes? If only... ;)

Comment author: bentarm 01 December 2010 11:28:25PM 0 points [-]

But reality says that beauty is correlated with fitness, which is correlated with intelligence. Beautiful people should tend to be smart. I think there is some positive beauty/intelligence correlation.

"is correlated with" is not transitive, the conclusion is true, but it doesn't follow from the premises.

I guess this is exactly the sort of comment that the original post was supposed to be warning people against making - does the fact that I've noticed this, and am pointing it out here in apology help to mitigate it?