wnoise comments on Defecting by Accident - A Flaw Common to Analytical People - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wnoise 01 December 2010 11:23:18PM *  0 points [-]

He only talked about correlation, not causation. The most likely causation is indeed the one you posited.

EDIT: ignore the following.

~~But two things that are both (positively) correlated with a third are (positively) correlated with each other, no matter the the direction or even existence of causal relations.~~

Comment author: wedrifid 01 December 2010 11:31:08PM *  3 points [-]

But two things that are both (positively) correlated with a third are (positively) correlated with each other, no matter the the direction or even existence of causal relations.

I don't believe this is the case. Two things things both being positively correlated with a third are more likely to be correlated with each other, all things being equal. Yet there are causal relations which could make those things negatively correlated with each other while both positively correlated with the third. The most obvious examples would be of partisan behaviors where the 'third' is a generic factor that encourages someone to pick a side.

Comment author: wnoise 01 December 2010 11:39:17PM 1 point [-]

You're right. I should have said "are generally", rather "are".

Comment author: Perplexed 01 December 2010 11:55:23PM 4 points [-]

I don't think "are generally" applies "no matter the the direction or even existence of causal relations".

If A causes E and B independently causes E, then there will be correlation between A and E and between B and E, but no reason to expect correlation between A and B.

Comment author: wnoise 02 December 2010 12:36:00AM 0 points [-]

You're right, and I really should have known better. This is one of the examples used in Judea Pearl's Casaulity, about how to assign plausible causation structures given only correlations.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 02 December 2010 05:03:07AM 0 points [-]

A pair of correlations between A and B, and between B and C, is correlated with a correlation between A and C. :P