wedrifid comments on Defecting by Accident - A Flaw Common to Analytical People - Less Wrong

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Comment author: lionhearted 02 December 2010 04:50:09AM *  1 point [-]

That having been said, the specific style of politeness presented here seems tedious, noisy, slightly condescending, and potentially even obfuscating.

Are you guessing, or did you test this?

Because I used to think the same way, but I now find I get better results with just a dash of politeness. I don't think it takes very much time or is so bad for signal:noise ratio either.

"Oh, thanks so much, silly me not paying attention to the squiggly red lines, hey do you need any help on your projects that I might be able to offer?" would be weird and not productive.

Well, I think the "oh silly me" is fluffy, you could just say thanks. But offering to help in return I think is a great think. Most people won't take you up on it, but it goes over really well.

Maybe try it for a month or two and see how it goes? I'm always really grateful when someone offers me a hand, and then I'm more likely to ask them a question or for a book recommendation or whatever. Even small things, most people won't ask you for them if you don't invite them to. Which is a shame, because then we miss opportunities to connect with people.

I'm not saying politeness is good because it's good. I'm saying it's good because it makes people more effective. I reckon that's true in most non-emergency cases.

Comment author: wedrifid 02 December 2010 10:59:47AM 7 points [-]

Maybe try it for a month or two and see how it goes?

This is the kind of defection by accident that analytical more often fall in to. Condescension with advice!

Comment author: lionhearted 02 December 2010 11:39:54PM -1 points [-]

This is the kind of defection by accident that analytical more often fall in to. Condescension with advice!

I'm not saying you should always be polite. Just you should be aware of the consequences and secondary effects for not being so.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 December 2010 01:11:43AM 7 points [-]

I agree with you on that point, yet I'm making my own. Analytical people are usually aware of politeness but take somewhat longer to realise that advice, instruction and offers to assist can be far more of a significant social slight than merely being curt. Those who are familiar with analytical types can see that they mean well and are just making nerdy faux pas. There are some, however, who will take offence - because the exact same words could be used by less nerdy person as deliberate one upmanship.

Comment author: Zvi 07 December 2010 10:26:58PM 1 point [-]

I second wedrifid's reaction. Trying an entire different social approach for a month is a very high cost, especially if it's one that makes our skin crawl. Alicorn's not alone in that, as that is exactly my instinctive reaction to hearing it. It doesn't make sense to give that kind of slack unless the prior for it working is high.