Alicorn comments on Defecting by Accident - A Flaw Common to Analytical People - Less Wrong

86 Post author: lionhearted 01 December 2010 08:25AM

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Comment author: Alicorn 02 December 2010 02:19:01PM 1 point [-]

Are you guessing, or did you test this?

It's about one part historical experimentation with styles of politeness, and one part noticing how your post made my skin crawl.

I second everything WrongBot said in the sibling comment.

Comment author: simplicio 02 December 2010 03:17:38PM 1 point [-]

...one part noticing how your post made my skin crawl.

A lot of that feeling is probably explained by the mere fact that we are discussing social calculations openly. Doing so almost always leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

Comment author: Alicorn 02 December 2010 03:49:03PM 5 points [-]

I don't ordinarily feel skin-crawly when discussing social norms/calculations/scripts/etc.

Comment author: simplicio 02 December 2010 04:08:42PM 8 points [-]

That's right, I almost forgot you had posted on the subject before, which is odd because I've actually used your "Considerations in favour of niceness" post to convince people to rein in their conversational aggression.

A couple of lionhearted's sentences sounded slightly cringeworthy to me too, but many times I have been surprised at how well such things actually go over with non-analytical people. For example, my mother prefaces even the tiniest criticism with 42 caveats and compliments (which feel like mostly white noise to me), but I can't help but notice that she also appears to be a social genius, with at least 30 genuinely close friends. (Bla bla anecdote bla bla correlation not causation).

Comment author: Zvi 07 December 2010 10:31:33PM 8 points [-]

I'm often shocked how much completely (to me) over the top super-politeness is optimal when dealing with average people, often more than enough to make me tempted to say "Get on with it!" in a British accent. In fact a good instinct for many of us when dealing with non-nerds is to use just enough politeness to actively piss ourselves off were we in the other person's shoes.

Comment author: David_Gerard 02 December 2010 04:41:03PM *  7 points [-]

For example, my mother prefaces even the tiniest criticism with 42 caveats and compliments (which feel like mostly white noise to me), but I can't help but notice that she also appears to be a social genius, with at least 30 genuinely close friends.

Yep. Play to your audience. This requires you to gain genuine skill in communication and in assessing the situation, but this is really not optional if achieving your goals requires interacting with humans. Failure to communicate appropriately in a variety of situations will lead to failure.

(No-one said instrumental effectiveness was easy.)