Relsqui comments on Defecting by Accident - A Flaw Common to Analytical People - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shokwave 07 December 2010 06:27:48AM 1 point [-]

On an arbitrary scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is Crocker's Rules for everyone and 10 is horrifying, mincing politeness... 3. LessWrong on average is 3, but the good bits are 2.

Comment author: Relsqui 08 December 2010 05:38:22AM 0 points [-]

Hmm. Getting an answer forced me to figure out exactly why I was asking. ;) I guess the followup question is, where on that scale would you put the threshold for everyday, out-in-public polite conversation between neurotypical adults? That is, the expected level, below which someone would come across as rude.

Comment author: shokwave 08 December 2010 02:53:58PM *  0 points [-]

Between strangers, 7. Between acquaintances or friends, variation but it would congeal into two large groups hovering around 6 and 4.

If you want to see 9s and 10s you have to look for certain types of unstable power dynamics.

Basically, I like LessWrong's approach because it feels more like 'friendship group where politeness of 4-3 is okay' and less like 'strangers you should be polite to'.

Comment author: wedrifid 08 December 2010 05:49:03AM -1 points [-]

I guess the followup question is, where on that scale would you put the threshold for everyday, out-in-public polite conversation between neurotypical adults?

Not enough information. Are the adults male, female or mixed? How much status do they have? What national background? Polite means a very different thing here (Australia) than it does in the US for example.

Comment author: Relsqui 08 December 2010 06:20:23AM *  0 points [-]

Yeah, but the scale we're using isn't very precise. The variables you mention will move the threshold around, certainly, but not so much that shokwave can't at least give me a smallish range. We can limit it to modern, Western, and no significant status differences from each other.

Polite means a very different thing here (Australia) than it does in the US for example.

Yeah, I can tell. ;)

Comment author: wedrifid 08 December 2010 07:19:59AM *  1 point [-]

Yeah, I can tell. ;)

This kind of statement is one of the reasons I consider 'politeness' to be an almost irrelevant metric to consider when evaluating people's statements. The relationship between politeness and social 'defection' is utterly negligible.